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Friday, June 30, 2006

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This sounds wonderful; a contemporary novel deserving its venerable status? :-)

It's one of those books I've *nearly* bought so many times that I feel as though I've already had it for years. (I'm pretty confident I don't have it but...I've thought that before and been wrong...)

I enjoyed it too, and you have done a much better job at distilling the key components than I ever could have. Thanks.

I loved 'Unbearable Lightness...' when I read it a few years ago, and it was nice to read this and bring it all flooding back again.

Thanks for your comment. I really enjoyed 'The Left Hand of Darkness', and will definitely be reading more Le Guin in the future. :-)

"I'm already aware that fiction is, y'know, not real, but I'm uncertain why the author would feel the need to keep intruding to point this out (as opposed to, say, getting on with the fiction)"

I can think of a couple of writers whose work is hallmarked by this very technique. I wonder how long they will get away with that before the general consensus is as you say here?

"I wonder how long they will get away with that before the general consensus is as you say here?"

Hmm. I'm not saying that I consider the technique to be wholly without merit - as I've indicated above, it can be put to extremely effective use. Rather, I think that as *an end in itself* it's redundant (I know this isn't real) and kinda passe (mediating upon the fictiveness of fiction, while groundbreaking at one time, is hardly astonishing anymore). But I'm sure there are other opinions on the matter, and will continue to be!

The exception (for me) is postmodernism done for humour, which (providing it's not *too* smug and clever-clever) is where it still comes off well. Glancing beyond books for a moment *gasp*, I thought _Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang_ was a brilliant example of this.

I find self-referentiality for its own sake very tiring. It's one of the problems I have, for example, with Jeanette Winterson's work...she is always saying in the most unsubtle of ways: "I am telling you a story. Of course, it isn't real." Which lets her plough on with my other pet hate: telling her reader's exactly how her texts should be interpreted. She believes wholeheartedly that she is her own best critic, and that she must signpost her genius in increasingly patronising ways.:-(

I think this is the worst aspect of post-modernist referentiality: that it encourages the reader to respond to the work in heavily manipulated ways - to banish their immediate emotions, to reject the integrity of the novel's world and disbelieve in the text's autonomy. Of course, this is also it's most important purpose...still, for me, the less of that the better. The hang-ups of a fantasy reader, who relishes imaginative integrity and fictive immersion perhaps? ;-)

Not that other modes of fiction don't have "imaginative integrity and fictive immersion"...only that fantasy fiction seems somewhat opposed to postmodern ideals...

"that it encourages the reader to respond to the work in heavily manipulated ways - to banish their immediate emotions"

Yes. Kundera largely managed to avoid this, but there were a few instances where he got a little too programmatic on the interpretation of characters - enough to make me roll my eyes, and occasionally argue back at him (what? does no-one else talk to their books? *blinks*).

This is what irritates me about postmodernism. Yes, fiction *is* contrivance. Even "showing" is indirectly "telling"; every word has an agenda. Every allusion, every image, every piece of dialogue is aimed at creating a particular effect in the reader's mind. Yet I believe that the final step - putting the pieces together, making the imaginative and empathetic leap, the emotional or intellectual or aesthetic response - should be left up to the reader, not the author. Even (especially?) if they get it "wrong". Or else what is the point?

If I wanted the stage directions spelled out for me, I'd read a screenplay...

got an assignment and i was totally lost but thanks for the comment . i got the light.

I think the point of postmodern metafiction is being somewhat missed in this comments thread. Literary postmodernism isn't about telling, it's about drawing attention to the fact you are being told. Salman Rushdie wrote Midnight's Children to "give the lie to the official facts": by merging magic and history, fiction and fact; he drew attention to the fictionality of propaganda, ideas of the state, and world-views.
Winterson's Sexing the Cherry subverts classic fairy tales to show how gender roles are implicitly imprinted as soon as children can hear stories.
Yes, fiction *is* contrivance, but fact *is* fiction. You are supposed to resist the authorial interpretation - they want you to resist everything that you take for granted as fact.

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