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I also did Animal Farm and Macbeth for GCSE - though the poetry was Wilfred Bleedin' Owen and, John Hegley excepted, I've never been able to touch a poem since. [I'm also seeing Tori Amos in a couple of days, so this comment may seem like a game of snap.]

It's been some time since I read the book, but my recollection is that the conclusion we got to was that a post-revolutionary society as much as a pre- one necessarily limited education to the "lower classes", enough technical details to keep the Five Year Plans going but when it comes to politics, philosophy, etc, just empty words rather than anything that could produce modes of understanding which would unsettle the status quo.

Again, we see parallels with contemporary society and our education system's single-minded pursuit of vocational skills - as expressed in league tables of exam passes - over intellectual curiosity.

I think Orwell's point is not that inequalities produce poverty and hardship, but that ingnoring natural inequalities produces exploitation. They had a nice system with the farmer.

The pigs' generous concession of equality all around works pretty well to their advantage. It is the basis for their society: the great lie. They are nowhere so good as the dumb horse, not half so noble and far more intelligent. But the point is, they are wrong and they shouldn't be in charge. Their utopian dreams are tools of oppression.

I think Orwell's taking shots at the notion that we can all be equal, showing that it leads to a worse inequality, that it is a lie. And the point is that we need truth, not ideology, on which to build our socieities. (Not myths about the equality of the sexes but rather an understanding of their differences, their different roles; not lies about the general intelligence of the population, but permeable but distinguishable classes with workers and thinkers and rulers and artists depending on each other because they acknowledge the differences.)

The point is that real differences are acknowledged rather than denied; they are crucial. The hierarchy of the farmer was a good one - not perfect and that is what the utopian dream chafes against. The hiearchy that developed from unnaturally displacing him was inevitable, and a bad one.

Hello Joel. :-) Many thanks for your comment - it has given me a lot to think about and has helped me clarify what I think about 'Animal Farm'. That said, I think your interpretation is wrong or, at least, misguided.

First, you say 'They [the animals] had a pretty nice system with the farmer'. I don't think this is Orwell's belief at all! He paints the farmer in a very poor light - as an unsuccessful, tyrannical drunk who eventually dies in a 'home for the inebriated'. The litany of his crimes against the animals is laid down very plainly: he 'sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them starving, and the rest he keeps for himself' (p4); they lay eggs, give milk, pull the plough with no payment; when their usefulness runs out they are slaughtered for meat, or sent to the knackers yard, or drowned. Basically, they are slaves, with no rights and no forum in which to voice their discontent. I wouldn't say this is a state of affairs that Orwell condones.

Secondly, you say: 'I think Orwell's taking shots at the notion that we can all be equal, showing that it leads to a worse inequality, that it is a lie.'

I think you're misinterpreting what Orwell means by 'equality'. One of the 7 commandments of Animal Farm - the most important - is that 'All animals are equal.' Clearly this is not quantatively true: a hen will never be as clever as a pig, or a goat as big and strong as a carthorse. Physiologically and intellectually, inequality is innate to the animal condition. And you're right that this is true of human beings as well - we are not all equally as clever, creative or strong. We each have our capacity; our strengths and weaknesses. Orwell does except that no amount of education or socialisation can truly change that (although, it can close the gaps).

However, when he says 'All animals are equal' he means: all animals are qualitively equal. He means: no matter their size, status or IQ, they should be afforded the same rights and respect as the other animals. They should have the same access to food, water, housing, education, healthcare (in this case, vetinary care) as each other. The more intelligent animals - the pigs - and the stronger animals - the dogs - should not have a better standard of living simply by virtue of their innate capacities.

This, I think, is the basis of Orwell's socialism and a very British socialism it is too. Everyone should have the right to the same treatment and the same level of subsistence, no matter their state or status in life. At first, Animal Farm conforms to these rules: all the animals work hard, they all have their share of the food and produce of the farm, they all have their say in community meetings. It is only when the pigs begin to use their innate intelligence for the good of *themselves* rather than the good of *everyone* that the system breaks down. At that point quantative inequality becomes qualititive inequality. Eventually the distance between pig and non-pig becomes as wide as that between human and animal. By the end of the novel, the pigs have become indistinguishable from the farmer they replaced. You say: 'The hiearchy that developed from unnaturally displacing him was inevitable, and a bad one.' But surely, the hierarchy that develops after his displacement is simply the heir to his brand of tyranny. It is the rule of the strong over the weak.

I can see that you're a traditional conservative when it comes to social issues and so, inevitably, we're going to disagree. But, crucially, I think Orwell disagrees with you too. He thinks that Animal Farm had 'utopia' in its grasp - it had established a qualititively equal society, in which all animals had the same rights. It is only when quantative inqualities reassert themselves that it begins to go wrong. It is this tendency in society that he laments.

(NB: I am purposefully ignoring this statement - 'Not myths about the equality of the sexes but rather an understanding of their differences, their different roles'. It just makes me sad.)


Well, I can't argue against a socialist reading of Orwell since he was, after all, a socialist.

Still, I couldn't help feeling, when the farmer was gone, that they could have used another farmer--maybe even a decent, regular farmer--in his place instead of what they did. Perhaps Orwell did not intend for a reader to feel that way, but so keenly did I feel it I thought he meant to evoke that.

A Tori Amos concert? you are joking please tell me you are! each to their own I suppose, I personally prefer sarah maclachlan. I dont pretend to be able to fathom the depths of Orwell's Animal Farm nor 1984 for that matter but as you point out at the end of your article it is important to question our own understanding of language and how we use it.I would go further and suggest a constant critcal awareness of the agenda's and ideological mutterings that we sometimes stoop to indulge in. Being 'liberal'or 'green'or 'neo-con'is all too easy these days and one wonders if it is because no one actually puts alot of thought into it. Those positions seem to be taken out of a emotionally charged reactionary predisposition rather than any great musing on the ethical frameworks implicit in their adherence. It would be foolish to assume Orwell was not grinding a particular axe in Animal Farm but it would seem even more unwise to read into every little aspect of the book. Basically the animals are all idiots,including the farmer. No need to look at class or other culturally particular ideas, it is warning to all and sundry not to wallow in their own blissful ignorance.Importantly the ignorance of your own mental and physical limitations especially in their regard to what set of morals/beliefs you choose to beleive in.

Hmm. I can see I am going to have to read Animal Farm--this has made me quite curious. I read 1984 a very long time ago. I hope you are enjoying your vacation! And I like having those books all spread out to pick and choose from as well.

Wow, Animal Farm. You know, this novel was required reading in most American grade schools (but not apparently in British schools? -- how is Orwell perceived in England? --is this a case of a prophet not being honored in his own country?). It's been at least a quarter century since I read it, though now I want to re-read it because I think I understood it in more general terms than I see here. I think what I got out of it was that the bastards would use their greater power/intelligence for their own benefit, and that there are plenty of people/animals who'll go along with any scheme whether it's particularly beneficial to them or not. Like I said, I should re-read it. I can't remember any teacher in grade school even mentioning the words "socialists" or "socialism."

Much of what's said here ties in with how I think I'd read it today.

I liked the observation about language. Of course that was a huge concern of Orwell's, as we also see in 1984 (can anybody reading it now read it the same way as I read it? -- when 1984 was still the almost mythical future?). Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" used to be in many undergraduate English texts though I don't think it is any more. That's a shame. It's the single best essay on how language affects politics (and vice versa) that I can recall.

What do you think Orwell actually thought of equality when he wrote animal farm?

Hi Silvia,

If you read through the comments just above your own, you'll find out exactly what I think about equality in Animal Farm. I presume this is for an essay you're writing?

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